I liked that so much, I've compiled it so I can pin the whole thing.
On Paul:
Sovereign>
No Christians want to pill me on Paul the Apostle?
#PaultheApostle #Christianity #Discussionjohn_darksoul >
Pill you on what? He was the most prolific writer of the New Testament. He?s well known.
Sovereign>
I've seen a lot of theories about him and I just want to hear what the arguments are against those claims. I'm favorable to him. I wasn't before because of some of the ideas I've read about that are similar to what this video says. Stuff like this:
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Hazlin>
The Bible as we know it, was created to counter act Paul.
He is most of the New Testament, because his writings were too widely accepted, but did not provide a good basis for controlling the early church.
In fact his writings were empowering people to know God directly, and were eroding attempts at subjugating the church.
A part from the 4 Gospels (acts, and revelation), the other writings were put together with Paul's writings in order to bring their authoritative status up on equal footing.
And, the New Testament does as it was designed to do, you can go to any modern church and find a pastor using one of the other writings to re-contextualize Paul's writings.
Sovereign>
Oh you were saying all that in a negative way. I didn't realize. Can you clarify your position then. What issue do you take with him?
Hazlin>
Within the confines of this discussion, I have no issue with Paul.
He does mix in some of his own ideas and agendas.
But, he has the Gospel. What Jesus really accomplished with his death. The Law of Moses is dead, Jesus has killed it. Be free. Dare to know God as your loving parent.
Without Paul, you'd just be left with the other writings that are a return to the slavery of the 10 commandments and extended Law of God.
Sovereign>
What do you mean by "Without Paul, you'd just be left with the other writings that are a return to the slavery of the 10 commandments and extended Law of God"? Don't all Christians follow the 10 commandments? How is that slavery?
Hazlin>
The Israelites stood before God and sworn an oath that, if they did not keep the 10 commandments, and the rest of the law that, if they should be found breaking it, that every bad thing should come upon them, their wife, children, health, wealth would all be taken from them.
By their own free will they entered into this terrible slavery to the law, they must up hold it or be crushed.
It is like the progress of the Protestant reformation was erased, like no one was ever freed. And, today almost all Christians have returned to live under this terrible curse.
But, Jesus came to set them free.
Sovereign>
Interesting. The way you describe it makes sense so you are saying that they were freed from collective punishment basically. So the older jewish ways (Hebrew religion of the time before Christianity) were brutal because they were pro-collective punishment (not hard to believe given the way they operate in modernity). Do others generally accept this and understand it as you do or would you say this is a uncommon view you have?
Hazlin>
About every 400 years you can find someone who gets back in touch with the revelation of the Gospel.
Martin Luther's Lectures volumes 26 and 27. Do a good job of it.
But, these are dark days, even the people who call themselves Lutheran have no idea what Luther even thought or taught.
And, by extension do not understand the writings of Paul.
Almost everyone has converged to a pre-Protestant Reformation Catholicism.
Sovereign>
But would you say that even people like you who are not Catholic, who are Protestant, are followers of Paul? I understand you are not agreeing with everyone's interpretation of him but you still follow his word right?
Hazlin>
So here is the rub, Paul's revelation from Jesus on the Gospel. The revelation is that Jesus has removed all barriers and requirements for you to know Jesus and God directly.
At its roots, the true Gospel does not bind me to Paul. It does not bind anyone to the messenger. Instead the truth is I can just talk to God.
I do, and he talks back... that is how it is supposed to be.
Because it eliminates the middle person, I can show you were Paul was wrong and were he was right (Luther too). It is no longer about Paul, it is about Jesus.
This modern paradigm of being a follower of different Christian authorities only exists in the vacuum left by the rejection of the Gospel.